But I’m an American in a very real sense. Ariel Pink: Think about all those people in jail – are they all in jail?

On SiriusXM [For the record, he actually said “mortifying and embarrassing”.].

So we don’t know what to do. I think the outcome of that is that the industry in the state that it’s in where it kind of goes away and then you have me and you have stuff like me that’s cares about the quality a little bit more. We’re never going to come to any real agreement so we have to figure how to not kill each other first then we can move on to the animals, the trees – to the point where we are all Gaia, where we are all one planet. (He insists Rosenberg is the songwriter and Pink is the project.) Is that frustrating? I wasn’t marrying them for life, you know? That’s not a fate that usually befalls a person — they don’t get to write out their destiny. You want my real tirade about this?

Who knows?

I came up with the title a long time ago.

I wouldn’t say it was one of my best moments. Colin Lipe.

It was the means to an end. He poked me in the eye; it was like Clockwork Orange.

You gotta either get busy living or get busy dying. Overhead is down so producers are in right now, producers make the money because they can produce the sounds that are radio quality now. It was really, really dorky. Did working with other artists influence the way you approached this record? 11/12 Austin, TX @ Sound on Sound Festival Ariel Pink: Maybe, I broke up with my girlfriend.

I definitely agree on the taking life less seriously as you get older thing. He fell right back into the same archetype and essentially was coming online to stop traffic. Do you have deep takeaways from your time as the most hated man in indie rock? ARIEL PINK: No, I hate it. You have to make compromises and decisions, and the less pushback that I get, the less obstacles that are in my way, the more my sensibility shines through. The cynicism is in the irony that I have to sit here for a week with wall-to-wall interviews focused on me, coming back to the same questions that I have to repeat and I don’t believe after I’ve repeated them so many times.

VEITCH: Do you think that people should live in outer space? The headline was “Grimes Is Stupid” because I “hate women.” It backs up my hatred of women and of Madonna. That’s definitely a pretty honest song about being a nympho. What’s Farewell American Primitive about?

ARIEL PINK: I’ll be lucky if I ever get that kind of coverage ever again. 11/08 New Orleans, LA @ Tipitina’s That’s like asking, “Oh, is the housing market going up or down in LA?” I wonder.

Though he's best known for the excellent run of records he put out this decade on 4AD, the bulk of his output stems from the late '90s and early '00s when he recorded and released a vast trove of lo-fi pop whose influence on the faded, nostalgic milieu of 2010s indie rock would prove incalculable.

What period of time was this – when did you record the album? I mean I write and doodle a little but I’m not really skilled at doing anything other than yapping and politicking. Those are new skills that I’ve acquired.

Ariel Pink: That’s Symphony Of The Nymph. No I don’t vote for anyone, that’s the point, I just vote for the winner by not voting. I don’t go back a million times. Colin did give me the option of including it, but he's got great stuff, and it should be heard on his own. You’re supposed to grow up. Well, we’re definitely all kids but some people pretend not to be. Pink’s last foray into the public sphere was three years ago, around the release of his last album, Pom Pom, a 67-minute pop tirade. It means totally different things, you can’t equate the two. Maybe that’s what informed it and made it so vital at the time, but that’s gone now. Crystal Fawn flipped another card.

We will continue to publish on this site as we work on the move. It’s because I’m basically trying to take the spotlight off of me.

VEITCH: Did you ever try to grow a mustache? It really is, but it’s fine because if you are willing to sign your life away for nothing, why wouldn’t somebody take advantage of that? STEREOGUM: Well it didn’t end with Madonna; there were lots of choice moments that people latched onto.

Whereas your Mac DeMarcos and everybody else is gonna basically develop with the times, incorporate whatever. You think that means the same for a woman as a man? But somehow Ariel manages to do something differently, taking all the great influences of the past and updating them with his own idiosyncratic musicality. Then, join a band that’s about to get signed. Here are the dates: 10/13 Joshua Tree, CA @ Desert Daze Ariel Pink: Um, I never thought about what I wanted it to be.

That’s like, wow, what an amazing way to go out.

It’s a matter of how you feel. Definitely my least favorite color.

I wanted to actually see what would happen if I decided to plant myself in Cure-land for like, all my life. The goal is to figure out how to live with each other. He succeeds because his aesthetic is singular and real.

He was never the household name he wanted to be, but now another outspoken figure from Los Angeles is attempting to resurrect his memory. Interscope came to me saying her last record didn’t do too well, she had her Avicii, she had all these things she wanted but there weren’t any songs there, so that’s why they were looking for writers. And mind you, that’s arguably what people require. VEITCH: That’s terrifying. Though it’s not a tribute lyrically or sonically, Ariel Pink’s latest album, Dedicated To Bobby Jameson, draws some clear parallels between the two musicians just by invoking the name. They’re getting subjected to whatever the people in control think is, they’re gonna like this, they’re gonna like this. ARIEL PINK: All you gotta do is listen for something that might be perceived as that and seize on it. That’s my protection in life. It’s about fantasy, it’s about creating different moods and different focal points that you sort of highlight and say oh okay, well this record’s about this because it unfolds this way and the song titles are like this, and you sort of come up with the content after the fact and reflect on it and say, this is about this. That was decided and so it took a while for people in the industry to be ok with that and realise that they need to get out before the building catches on fire. It’s you, you live here, you are America, you are that, you are Donald Trump, whether you want to believe it or not.

I liked reading her emails though. As always the true provocateur, Ariel Pink remains as fired up as ever, discussing his love for conservative American politics & the rotting carcass that is … I’ve already said plenty of scandalous things. Interesting. Yeah dude, I like anyone who puts me on their guestlist.

Ariel Pink: A couple of months ago. They were the first backup band to actually be the band. Instead of college, save the money and go be a musician. "There will be nothing to mine or sift through. But having a band and getting that together and really taking that seriously really helped. PINK: No, just joking. Various reasons. I definitely don’t do it the same way or for the same reasons that I used to. VEITCH: What advice would you give to a young person who wants to become a musician? STEREOGUM: That’s the beauty of blogging; it gives a voice to those that otherwise aren’t afforded an audience. 2. It was called “Sexy Lady.” It was in the vein of “Dancing with Myself” by Billy Idol.

ARIEL PINK: Exactly, because that’s what we’re dealing with. Do you have any rituals when you’re writing? Well, yeah. And it was still there 30 years after the fact, even after people were like, “he must be dead,” because he’s not jumping off the Capitol Records building. He doesn’t have the power to get Putin to hack the election, that’s just craziness. STEREOGUM: Is that the idea behind “Time To Live”?

Pink seems well aware of his reputation, and remains unapologetic. It’s like the inside, inside joke.

That angst that I had — I didn’t even realize I had it, mind you — I just wanted a little bit of love and attention. It’s where you start.

I imagine that this time around that you’re going to be playing songs that you feel right now. It’s been several years since I got out of my house and started recording with a budget, and in studios, and with band members and stuff like that, and it took me that amount of time to learn that it wasn’t the ideal way of working.

Cosmology, anything science related and history, politics.

Ariel Pink: Mmm.

STEREOGUM: So you feel like you learned from that process? Horrors in the Closet: A Closet Full of Monsters, Horrors in the Closet: Horrifying Heteronormative Scapegoating, Johnny Nash Refused to Remember His Place, 'The Edge of Democracy' and Parallels of Political Crises, Moira Smiley and VOCO's "The Call" Says Stay Strong in Shared Humanity (premiere), Jefferson Starship Soar Again with 'Mother of the Sun', Ane Brun's 'After the Great Storm' Features Some of Her Best Songs, 'Long Hot Summers' Is a Lavish, Long-Overdue Boxed Set from the Style Council, The Mountain Goats Find New Sonic Inspiration on 'Getting Into Knives'. They don’t wanna be the reason why he’s on the streets.

It’s not rocket science. PINK: For fun? It becomes less my thing, even though my name is still on the marquee in a lot of instances.

Perhaps most importantly, Pink took his recording process back to the bedroom, the wellspring of his creative past life. VEITCH: Do you believe in the end of the world? And I love Madonna too!

9.0. He keeps blinking and looks in considerable discomfort. He has a family, he’s got an empire.

I kind of feel that men are obviously slaves to their penises in a way that women aren’t because they don’t have penises. I saw myself as the last of the American primitives – or of the indigenous rock and roll primitives.

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